many here have abandoned the bible as "the word of god" and there are numerous reasons for said abandonment.
however what i am interested in finding out is if the bible is the word of god, then what would you expect to find?.
Spiked said:
I want to represent the WT but "[Spike Tassel] is NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses", therefore I am an unlicensed practitioner at this time.
Ummm... just some questions here:
if a cop asked you if he could search your vehicle, would you let him?.
if a cop asked you personal information would you feel obliged to answer him?.
do you believe that a police officer has the "right" to question you about a matter simply because he's a cop?.
Usually, I am very cooperative with the police. I talk them up until they forget their procedures. I have avoided numerous tickets and even arrest a couple of times. I have gotten away with speeding, driving on a suspended/no license, switched plates, no insurance, criminal mischief, and a bunch of other things. I used to put any contraband in luggage and lock it in the trunk. They can (and have) search my car all they want. But my luggage is too personal to let anyone to look at. That takes a warrent. In which case they have to show that there is probable cause that there is something in that bag.
When the cop is a prick, things change. When driving truck, I once got pulled into a Maryland Department of Transportation inspection station. The cop (a kid) made the comment that I don't work much while looking at my log book (probably implying that I had falsified my log book, but I'm not sure). "So?" I replied in a rather annoyed tone of voice. Truth was I didn't work as many hours as most drivers out there. The young cop repeated his observation. This time I yelled at him, "So what is your point!?" His seargent came flying over and sent the rookie back to the office. He appologized and let me go.
hello.
can anyone tell me who wrote the pentateuch?
i'd be interested to hear.. pippa.
Winnie the Pooh could not have possibly been written by a single author!
From here
Doublets also occur. We may mention briefly the two accounts of meetings with a Heffalump (W 5; H 3). and two accounts of the building of a house.(H 1; 9), variously connected with Eeyore and with Owl. An excellent example of the redactor's method in intertwining his sources may be seen in the account of Pooh's being stuck in the entrance to Rabbit's house (W 2. 24). When Pooh realizes he is stuck, according to the first source:
'Oh, help!', said Pooh. 'I'd better go back.'
But according to the second source:
'Oh, bother!', said Pooh. 'I shall have to go on.'
The redactor has simply set down these two contradictory statements side by side, and then has attempted to harmonize them by his own conflation:
'I can't do either!', said Pooh. 'Oh, help and bother!
hello.
can anyone tell me who wrote the pentateuch?
i'd be interested to hear.. pippa.
Nark said:
It all relies on internal analysis
I agree. There is no external evidence to support the JEDP theory. There is archeological evidence to support the Moses account. To say that we would not expect external evidence for JEDP and “look there isn’t any therefore it must be true” is to argue from silence. Here is a list of articles discussing archeology and the Bible.
-- differences of language, syntax, style,
This is not a problem for Moses. While Moses was responsible for most of the content, he is not solely responsible. Certainly it does not require that the Pentateuch was in its final form much later than Moses.
narrative gaps,
Every historical account has narrative gaps.
repetitions, doublets, anachronisms, contradictions, redactional seams and so on.
These are making problems where none exist:
Ø “If Abraham claimed that Sarah was his sister twice, then the same story must have been added in a second time because surely Abraham wouldn’t have committed the same mistake twice.” This reasoning is nonsense.
o It assumes that people always learn their lesson from a mistake or that they could not possibly repeat an action.
o If I remember correctly, sometimes the same story will appear in two different books of the OT. There is nothing significant about an author repeating an account in another work.
Ø DH theorists try to claim that if a more modern name for something is used for a place, then it could not have been written when it was said to be written.
o First, I generally agree with the premise.
o If a document in English is supposed to be from the year 1600 and it states that “Marco Polo went to China”, we know that it wasn’t written in 1750 because “Cathay” was used at that time by English speaking people.
o However, it is misapplied to Moses.
o Moses did not write in Hebrew or Aramaic. The anachronisms would appear because of the translation into Hebrew.
o If a document was written in 1600 in Swahili referring to China – using the Swahili word for China – was then translated into English in 1970; there is no problem in them term “China” appearing in the translation of 1970.
Ø The contradictions can be reconciled, usually quite easily.
o People who point to lists such as 1001 Contradictions of the Bible as if they have proved something are intellectually lazy and ignorant.
o Most such “contradictions” can be easily explained by getting a little better grasp of the passages in question.
o I am amazed by people that try to claim, “The Bible teaches that pi equals 3, everyone knows that it is 3.14, therefore the Bible has an error in it!”
§ No where in the entire Bible does it say pi equals anything.
§ A vessel that is 10 units across the top and 30 units around the outside can be easily made.
§ A vessel can be made using virtually any ratio of measurements depending on the contour.
Ø Some links on the matter:
o Article on anachronistic names
for those of you in other countries - how many times have you seen thousands of your own countrymen lying outside in a field waiting for health care?
sammieswife.. whistleblower tells of america's hidden nightmare for its sick poorwhen an insurance firm boss saw a field hospital for the poor in virginia, he knew he had to speak out.
here, he tells paul harris of his fears for obama's bid to bring about radical change.
My wife has a congenital heart defect. I have lost several jobs and have never had a problem getting care for her.
for those of you in other countries - how many times have you seen thousands of your own countrymen lying outside in a field waiting for health care?
sammieswife.. whistleblower tells of america's hidden nightmare for its sick poorwhen an insurance firm boss saw a field hospital for the poor in virginia, he knew he had to speak out.
here, he tells paul harris of his fears for obama's bid to bring about radical change.
Double post.
for those of you in other countries - how many times have you seen thousands of your own countrymen lying outside in a field waiting for health care?
sammieswife.. whistleblower tells of america's hidden nightmare for its sick poorwhen an insurance firm boss saw a field hospital for the poor in virginia, he knew he had to speak out.
here, he tells paul harris of his fears for obama's bid to bring about radical change.
If I thought that government run health care could live up to its promises, I would be all for it. We should see how well it can manage a car company before we trust it with our lives.
for those of you in other countries - how many times have you seen thousands of your own countrymen lying outside in a field waiting for health care?
sammieswife.. whistleblower tells of america's hidden nightmare for its sick poorwhen an insurance firm boss saw a field hospital for the poor in virginia, he knew he had to speak out.
here, he tells paul harris of his fears for obama's bid to bring about radical change.
When the government controls health care, it controls you.
hello.
can anyone tell me who wrote the pentateuch?
i'd be interested to hear.. pippa.
No, I have not read Friedman's book. In fact, I made my post before your's appeared referring to Friedman. Nor do I need to read his book as the JEDP theory has been around for more than a hundred years. The theory is based entirely on speculation about different styles of writing. Their is no MSS evidence for it that I know of. If there is MSS evidence for it, or if Friedman adds anything new, let me know.
I am well aware that Moses did not actually write Genesis, but compiled and edited it. I also recognize that there were some additions after Moses finished his writing. There is no evidence to suggest that these changed the meaning or that they occurred much later.
hello.
can anyone tell me who wrote the pentateuch?
i'd be interested to hear.. pippa.
The JEDP theory is a matter of modern chauvinism being applied to an ancient document. Writing in the 3rd person and not indentifying the author was common practice in the ANE. If it is a hang-up for us, then it is is simply our hang-up. There is not one MSS to support that a book of the Bible has evolved in any manner. Most of the "logic" that would support the DH is such that would make the WTS proud.
